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to have the fbi investigating or monitoring and surveilling the e-mail account of the director of the cia for four or five months, they would have to get a federal court order to do that and now we're hearing there is no crime involved. for that to go on for a long period of time for something that is not criminal and yet if they go -- if the fbi felt it was important enough to get a federal court order, it's an obligation to tell the president of the united states that the cia director was involved, at least the focus of the investigation, whether or not he was a target, he was involved in something that could make him susceptible to blackmail. it's hard to believe that this went on for so long without anybody being told at the white house. i would think that the fbi has an obligation to tell the president that this type of investigation was going on and the white house was told about it the very day of the elections. it raises a lot of questions and this doesn't added a up. >> why weren't the house and senate intelligence committees alerted? >> my understanding is that the house int
to have the fbi investigating or monitoring and surveilling the e-mail account of the director of the cia for four or five months, they would have to get a federal court order to do that and now we're hearing there is no crime involved. for that to go on for a long period of time for something that is not criminal and yet if they go -- if the fbi felt it was important enough to get a federal court order, it's an obligation to tell the president of the united states that the cia director was...
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it's the fbi. you dent think they are going to follow up? have you never watched an episode of any show ever? really? >> and really unnamed fbi agent, you became obsessed with a woman while investigating her in an e-mail scandal and then e-mailed her shirtless photos. really? weiner, chris lee, brett favre, it's 2012. it's time to recognize the male physique carries zero allure. stop sending us pictures of it. >> don't you watch "homeland"? that show is this exact story line. i defy you to find one happy character in that whole show. no really. go ahead. >> really? >> really. defend your gender. >> that's pretty good. >> i used to write novels and sometimes i look at things that happen in life and it's like if you put that in a novel. and i was doing magic realism. even in a novel, this would not work. it would not be believable. you can't help but mwonder if a modern shakespeare who would write this novel. i would imagine it would be a combination of e.l. james meets tom clancy and write "50 shades of red october." it would look really cool
it's the fbi. you dent think they are going to follow up? have you never watched an episode of any show ever? really? >> and really unnamed fbi agent, you became obsessed with a woman while investigating her in an e-mail scandal and then e-mailed her shirtless photos. really? weiner, chris lee, brett favre, it's 2012. it's time to recognize the male physique carries zero allure. stop sending us pictures of it. >> don't you watch "homeland"? that show is this exact story...
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>> well, i think richard mentioned the fbi investigation of paula broadwell. paula broadwell is general petraeus' biographer, and somebody who has been close to him. in literary circles. to speak a moment about the cia, general petraeus when he came to the cia about 15 months ago appointed as his deputy the then acting director michael morale who is a career agency analyst, michael morel has now stepped in as acting director again. i think that is, from the standpoint of the cia and the establishment of the u.s. intelligence office the most positive thing you could say. >> thank you, david, and richard, that's "hardball" for now. coming up next, "your business" with j.j. ramberg. since my first twenty-ninth birthday. [ female announcer ] head & shoulders. live flake free. campbell's has 24 new soups that will make it drop over, and over again. ♪ from jammin' jerk chicken, to creamy gouda bisque. see what's new from campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do.
>> well, i think richard mentioned the fbi investigation of paula broadwell. paula broadwell is general petraeus' biographer, and somebody who has been close to him. in literary circles. to speak a moment about the cia, general petraeus when he came to the cia about 15 months ago appointed as his deputy the then acting director michael morale who is a career agency analyst, michael morel has now stepped in as acting director again. i think that is, from the standpoint of the cia and the...
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>> well, i think richard mentioned the fbi investigation of paula broadwell. paula broadwell is general petraeus' biographer, and somebody who has been close to him. in literary circles. to speak a moment about the cia, general petraeus when he came to the cia about 15 months ago appointed as his deputy the then acting director michael morrell who is a career agency analyst, michael morrell has now stepped in as acting director again. i think that is, from the standpoint of the cia and the establishment of the u.s. intelligence office the most positive thing you could say. >> thank you, david corn and thank you, dee dee myers. >>> coming up, buy romney lost i have a cold, and i took nyquil, but i'm still stubbed up. [ male announcer ] truth is, nyquil doesn't unstuff your nose. what? [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus liquid gels speeds relief to your worst cold symptoms plus has a decongestant for your stuffy nose. thanks. that's the cold truth! email marketing from constant contact reaches people in a place they're checking every day -- their inbox. and it
>> well, i think richard mentioned the fbi investigation of paula broadwell. paula broadwell is general petraeus' biographer, and somebody who has been close to him. in literary circles. to speak a moment about the cia, general petraeus when he came to the cia about 15 months ago appointed as his deputy the then acting director michael morrell who is a career agency analyst, michael morrell has now stepped in as acting director again. i think that is, from the standpoint of the cia and...
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they say the fbi is sensitive to its past when former director j. edgar hoover gathered personal details about government officials to get what he wanted. >> the only reason the fbi should have notified congress was if general petraeus was found to have leaked classified information. that was not the case. so the fbi followed its protocols and did the right thing in this case. >> general petraeus is not the only high-ranking official mixed up in this scandal. general john allen, the top american commander in afghanistan is now being investigated for alleged inappropriate communications with jill kelley. again, she's the woman who reportedly received threatening e-mails from paula broadwell, the woman with whom petraeus was having an affair. general allen took over the command in afghanistan from petraeus after petraeus was tapped for the cia. now officials are reviewing up to 30,000 pages of communication between allen and ms. kelley. you're running a war, general, seriously, 30,000? it's not clear if the e-mails involved sexual material or classifi
they say the fbi is sensitive to its past when former director j. edgar hoover gathered personal details about government officials to get what he wanted. >> the only reason the fbi should have notified congress was if general petraeus was found to have leaked classified information. that was not the case. so the fbi followed its protocols and did the right thing in this case. >> general petraeus is not the only high-ranking official mixed up in this scandal. general john allen, the...
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>> late last night the fbi drops by the home of paula
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last night fbi agents searched paula broadwell's home, the home she shares with her family. she had given them permission to go into the home. they took out boxes and apparently photo es. joining me now is jim frederick, editor at "time" magazine. i heard people joke about this and all the salacious titles. but at the heart of this are some serious and legitimate conce concerns. the president not making any huge pronouncements, but starting with general allen here, the e-mails were exchanged over a two-year span. his confirmation is being held up. that's a big deal. >> it's a huge deal. the story is changing by the hour. every hour there are new allegations as pertains to general allen. 20 to 30,000 pages worth of documents. first 30,000 e-mails. you think that's not the case because it would be mathematically impossible. but how much time is he spending as the commander of the war in afghanistan e-mailing this woman. that's one of the central issues to sort out is how distracted is this general from what is supposed to be his main job, which is winning the war in afghanista
last night fbi agents searched paula broadwell's home, the home she shares with her family. she had given them permission to go into the home. they took out boxes and apparently photo es. joining me now is jim frederick, editor at "time" magazine. i heard people joke about this and all the salacious titles. but at the heart of this are some serious and legitimate conce concerns. the president not making any huge pronouncements, but starting with general allen here, the e-mails were...
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. >>> fbi investigators want to know what caused a massive explosion that killed two and damaged over 30 homes, while leveling some completely. good morning to you. i'm veronica de la cruz. government officials say after admitting that an extramarital affair with his biographer paula broadwell. a woman received harassing e-mails from broadwell. and the complaint led to the investigation that uncovered the affair. there's a growing chorus of questions from lawmakers as to when exactly the affair came to light, who in washington knew about it and when they were told. >> reporter: according to a senior federal official and close friend of david petraeus, 37-year-old jill kelly complained to fbi agents about being harassed by paula broadwell, david petraeus' biographer. a senior military official says jill kelly is involved in wounded warrior fund raising in tampa, is married. she and her husband are close petraeus family friends. officials say petraeus' downfall started when kelly was receiving harassing e-mails from broadwell. those e-mails led to the discover of mothers between general
. >>> fbi investigators want to know what caused a massive explosion that killed two and damaged over 30 homes, while leveling some completely. good morning to you. i'm veronica de la cruz. government officials say after admitting that an extramarital affair with his biographer paula broadwell. a woman received harassing e-mails from broadwell. and the complaint led to the investigation that uncovered the affair. there's a growing chorus of questions from lawmakers as to when exactly...
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the fbi agent was never on the case. he brought the information to the fbi, but he was never part of the original investigation because he was a friend of miss kelley's. >> so what is all this thing about him being frustrated because he wasn't on the case? what was that about? >> he was frustrated because he learned about the information that was being gathered. he brought the original case, he was frustrated that the information about petraeus and broadwell had not come out yet, and he thought that the justice department and the fbi were dragging their feet, so he -- that's why he went to the hill. >> okay. let me get back to david on this, on the military end of this thing. why was petraeus basically forced to resign? why did the matter come to his superior, mr. clapper, head of intelligence -- all the intelligence services? why was it going through channels? why did he get confronted with basically a request to resign? how did that happen if this wasn't criminal, what he was doing? >> because he wasn't on active duty,
the fbi agent was never on the case. he brought the information to the fbi, but he was never part of the original investigation because he was a friend of miss kelley's. >> so what is all this thing about him being frustrated because he wasn't on the case? what was that about? >> he was frustrated because he learned about the information that was being gathered. he brought the original case, he was frustrated that the information about petraeus and broadwell had not come out yet,...
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why would an fbi agent go to him? >> well, he actually went -- a friend of this fbi agent went to a representative from washington state originally. there was some kind of personal connection with the fbi agent's friend and he went to eric cantor. >> i see. >> one thing that's important to say, i mean, you talked about the sex and scandal is apparently the national security concerns have all been knocked down. at this point there don't appear to be from the justice department or from the fbi any national security concerns. >> well, let me go to david wood on that very point. david, your sense of this watching it from above, meaning from the policy level looking at the sordidness of this, what does it mean? it looks like petraeus' career has ended. he did the honorable thing i think in the end by just falling on his sword. that's over with. what about general allen, our commander in afghanistan? this would seem to be somewhat distracting to be sending something like 30,000 e-mails or whatever out. i don't even know how
why would an fbi agent go to him? >> well, he actually went -- a friend of this fbi agent went to a representative from washington state originally. there was some kind of personal connection with the fbi agent's friend and he went to eric cantor. >> i see. >> one thing that's important to say, i mean, you talked about the sex and scandal is apparently the national security concerns have all been knocked down. at this point there don't appear to be from the justice department...
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fbi has uncover between 20,000 and 30,000 documents. mostly e-mails sent between allen and this woman, jill kelley. a senior defense official tells msnbc that the e-mails were inappropriate. kelley was the target of paula broad we'll's e-mails. the associated press that broadwell thought of kelley as a romantic rival for petraeus affection. he was supposed to start the process this week to be the next commander of american forces in europe and supreme allied commander of nato, allen will remain commander in afghanistan. . >>> i don't even know where to begin. how does this happen? >> well, i don't know it happens. particularly in the digital age. the idea that people think that if you have thousands of e-mails that they're not going to be picked up and found out it's sort of amazing. what's most disturbing, this is a terrible time from a foreign policy standpoint to have petraeus out. scandals that are taking key players out of afghanistan, syrian discussions. country that the president has a lot going on right now. >> we were joking co
fbi has uncover between 20,000 and 30,000 documents. mostly e-mails sent between allen and this woman, jill kelley. a senior defense official tells msnbc that the e-mails were inappropriate. kelley was the target of paula broad we'll's e-mails. the associated press that broadwell thought of kelley as a romantic rival for petraeus affection. he was supposed to start the process this week to be the next commander of american forces in europe and supreme allied commander of nato, allen will remain...
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set off the initial fbi investigation into paula broadwell. now e-mailses that multiple law enforcements tell abc were traced back to biographer paula broadwell. in yet another twist in this case, the fbi conducted a consensual search of broadwell's home last night. >>> meanwhile, an internal fbi inquiry has been launched into the agent who started the investigation and who tipped off republican members of congress about it, a senior government official telling nbc news, the agent sent shirtless photos to jill kelley prior to the investigation. now, as the inquiries into allen and petraeus move forward, congress is reconvening on capitol hill about the original fbi investigation. >> the elements on in some ways of a hollywood movie, once this investigation, whenever david petraeus's name came up, they had an only giggs to tell the president. >> the defense secretary leon panetta telling reporters that congressional intelligence leaders should have been notified and much sooner. >> i believe that there's a responsibility to make sure that the i
set off the initial fbi investigation into paula broadwell. now e-mailses that multiple law enforcements tell abc were traced back to biographer paula broadwell. in yet another twist in this case, the fbi conducted a consensual search of broadwell's home last night. >>> meanwhile, an internal fbi inquiry has been launched into the agent who started the investigation and who tipped off republican members of congress about it, a senior government official telling nbc news, the agent sent...
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how normal is it for the fbi to investigate the cia? >> well, if they think there's some sort of crime that's occurred and in my limited understanding of what happened, this began because someone had a belief that general petraeus's computer had been compromised which led to the next step. the fbi does crime, not the cia. this is the proper course to take. and again transparency and accountability is what we most want in our leadership. this is tough. you and i know both know it. for a general who has done so much for this nation. i think this showed what kind of a man he was that he did his soul searching, but he handed in his resignation because that's what we're trained to do and people should take a lesson on that. >> joe, good to have you with us on "the ed show." appreciate it so much. >>> coming up, a coal boss announces a series of lay yufs. find out how workers are paying the price for a ceo's personal politics. >>> and it got pretty ugly out there following the reelection of our first african-american president. msnbc politica
how normal is it for the fbi to investigate the cia? >> well, if they think there's some sort of crime that's occurred and in my limited understanding of what happened, this began because someone had a belief that general petraeus's computer had been compromised which led to the next step. the fbi does crime, not the cia. this is the proper course to take. and again transparency and accountability is what we most want in our leadership. this is tough. you and i know both know it. for a...
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you know in the access to the e-mails that the fbi investigation. clearly will be questions and probably an investigation into whether our intelligence community was compromised by this. all indications are that it wasn't. but gene is right this also comes in a political contest which is the growing intensity of the growing investigations into what happened with respect to benghazi. there's so many balls in the air here. it's an awkward time for the cia to have this happen. there's never a nonawkward time but this is a particularly awkward time and for the ard mrgs as well which that's to shuffle the stop staff at the same time they're expected to asking questions from congress. i expect multiple story lines. >> i want to sam rise. law enforcement officials tell nbc news that the fbi is investigating the general's bog fer paula broadwell for improperly trying to access general petraeus's e-mail and potentially accessing classified information. the officials say they do not believe this will result in any criminal charges. they also stressed that gen
you know in the access to the e-mails that the fbi investigation. clearly will be questions and probably an investigation into whether our intelligence community was compromised by this. all indications are that it wasn't. but gene is right this also comes in a political contest which is the growing intensity of the growing investigations into what happened with respect to benghazi. there's so many balls in the air here. it's an awkward time for the cia to have this happen. there's never a...
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let's start with the fbi investigation into this biographer paula broadwell. what can you tell us about this at this point? >> the fbi has opened up an investigation to determine whether paula broadwell had access to general petraeus' e-mail. general petraeus is not under investigation and they don't expect their inquiry will result in criminal charges. now, we have reached out to paula broadwell. we haven't heard back from her yet. she is, of course, at the center of this scandal. so who is she? she is a harvard graduate, also went to west point and she wrote this biography that i have here in my hands. it's called "all in," the education of general petraeus. it's a thick book but i want to read a lig sellment. she says, his critics fault him for ambition. i will note that he is driven and goal-orient d. so just one sentence in a very thick book that is now of course coming under a lot of scrutiny. to give you a sense of how this all came to light, we're told that the white house learned about this situation with general petraeus on wednesday, which was, of c
let's start with the fbi investigation into this biographer paula broadwell. what can you tell us about this at this point? >> the fbi has opened up an investigation to determine whether paula broadwell had access to general petraeus' e-mail. general petraeus is not under investigation and they don't expect their inquiry will result in criminal charges. now, we have reached out to paula broadwell. we haven't heard back from her yet. she is, of course, at the center of this scandal. so who...
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he had a contact in the fbi who raised this concern to him. he passed it along to the chief of staff of eric cantor's office who then was put in touch with the fbi. knowing how things work in cantor's office, it -- they run by the letter of the law to a "t," so i'm sure everything was done with heavy legal counsel and guidance. >> something like this, jim, you know the way the senate intelligence committee folks work particularly on both sides of this. finding out that an fbi agent -- we're calling this person a whistleblower, is that a fair description? >> i'm not quite sure i'm convinced i know what to describe this person as. i've listened to previous reports on msnbc. there are all sorts of rumors swirling around. i'm just not sure if that's the case or not. but i think there is a fair case to be made and has been by senator feinstein that she should have been given a heads up earlier than she was. no doubt about it. she has an amazing ability to keep things secret. >> fair enough. i want to go to fiscal cliff. i think there are two questi
he had a contact in the fbi who raised this concern to him. he passed it along to the chief of staff of eric cantor's office who then was put in touch with the fbi. knowing how things work in cantor's office, it -- they run by the letter of the law to a "t," so i'm sure everything was done with heavy legal counsel and guidance. >> something like this, jim, you know the way the senate intelligence committee folks work particularly on both sides of this. finding out that an fbi...
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she goes to the fbi. and that's how they get to the affair. >> this other woman, and we know she's not in the government and that she's not a family member, complained to the fbi about what she felt were harass k and threatening e-mails. it was that investigation that led -- they were anonymous e-mails. that led to broadwell's e-mail account. and by examining broadwell's, paula broadwell the biographer's e-mail account that's they uncovered or stumbled as they put it into this -- >> there were actually explicit e-mails between broadwell and petraeus. >> or some indication in those e-mails of an ongoing relationship. that's according to fbi officials and other officials with whom we've spoken. it was that -- and we should stress, there was never an investigation into petraeus. and they have pretty much shut down any idea that there was any kind of security or national security leaks. so this is not a criminal matter. and it would have rested there had not, and this is what is new in the last 24 hours, had
she goes to the fbi. and that's how they get to the affair. >> this other woman, and we know she's not in the government and that she's not a family member, complained to the fbi about what she felt were harass k and threatening e-mails. it was that investigation that led -- they were anonymous e-mails. that led to broadwell's e-mail account. and by examining broadwell's, paula broadwell the biographer's e-mail account that's they uncovered or stumbled as they put it into this -- >>...
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a member of congress who then reported to eric cantor, the republican leader, who then said to the fbi, tough take this further. they were not, at that stage, going to the white house with it. and questions raised why did it come to the attention of the national intelligence on tuesday, 5:00, election day. why did it not come to the white house's attention the next day wednesday. >> bob, before i turn to you, paula broadwell, writes a book called "all in," david petraeus. part of promoting that book, she did interviews, including on "the "daily show,"" talks a bit about how they struck up this relationship, biographer and subject and her trips to afghanistan. let's watch a portion of that >> >>> you're a runner, and to get to know him, he wanted to run with you. so you ran together? >> this is a typical men -- mechanism he uses to get to know young people. he has done it throughout his life, so, it was an opportunity for me to interview him on a run and i think it was -- i thought i would test him and he tested me and it ended up being a test for both of us since we both ran pretty qui
a member of congress who then reported to eric cantor, the republican leader, who then said to the fbi, tough take this further. they were not, at that stage, going to the white house with it. and questions raised why did it come to the attention of the national intelligence on tuesday, 5:00, election day. why did it not come to the white house's attention the next day wednesday. >> bob, before i turn to you, paula broadwell, writes a book called "all in," david petraeus. part...
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questions about benghazi, questions about the petraeus thing, how did the fbi, is the president pleased with, seems there's a little pattern here of it seems to take a while for certain information to get to the white house a little bit, how -- what is his reaction to that. so this is his first comments that we're going to hear since the whole david petraeus mess exploded. so obviously that's going to be some of the news. i can tell you the white house folks are not happy that half the press conference will not be about fiscal cliff since that is what is front and center, all these deadlines facing them. the irony is, be andrea, had they done the post-election press conference when traditionally held back in bush and clinton a couple days after the election, there wouldn't have been a question about david petraeus. >> if he had not -- if he held it in chicago the morning after traditionally when this is done. >> or even thursday. >> or even thursday u.s. exactly. >> although by thursday his national security team knew and was about to inform him about the petraeus possible resignation.
questions about benghazi, questions about the petraeus thing, how did the fbi, is the president pleased with, seems there's a little pattern here of it seems to take a while for certain information to get to the white house a little bit, how -- what is his reaction to that. so this is his first comments that we're going to hear since the whole david petraeus mess exploded. so obviously that's going to be some of the news. i can tell you the white house folks are not happy that half the press...
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we know the fbi was looking at all of this for a while. officials tell nbc news the investigation started this summer after another woman, jill kell kelley, described as a friend of david petraeus, told another person at the fbi that she's getting threatening e-mail. should the fbi have alerted someone in congress when they started this investigation? >> i don't even know what those protocols are. i would point out that i think that the oversight mechanism that congress, over all issues of national defense and security, has been broken for some time. i was speaking with a senator who was part of the class fight breakdowns of the post-benghazi debacle. and he described those discussions as being the most useless he's ever heard. so there isn't a lot of information sharing over congress. and i think congress also hasn't been doing its job in constructing proper oversight into what's happening overseas and especially with our intelligence services. i would chalk it up probably as part of that kind of bad information loop. >> i guess the point
we know the fbi was looking at all of this for a while. officials tell nbc news the investigation started this summer after another woman, jill kell kelley, described as a friend of david petraeus, told another person at the fbi that she's getting threatening e-mail. should the fbi have alerted someone in congress when they started this investigation? >> i don't even know what those protocols are. i would point out that i think that the oversight mechanism that congress, over all issues...
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fbi agents are currently at the home of paula broadwell. wcnc-tv in charlotte are reporting that agents arrived at broadwell's home at 9:00 p.m. and took boxes and suitcases and photos from the foam. a spokeswoman confirms the report and says it's a consensual search and not a raid or "a game changer." the fbi official says it is one of the final steps to closing out their investigation of broadwell. also tonight, "the wall street journal" reports new details how the federal bureau of investigation handled the case suggests even as the bureau delve into mr. petraeus' personal life, the agency had to address questionable conduct by one of its own, including allegedly sending shirtless photos of himself to a woman involved in the case. that woman is jill kelly, a family friend of petraeus, who first brought to the fbi's attention troubling e-mails she was receiving from an anonymous e-mail account operated by paula broadwell. we heard from the ghost writer of broadwell's biography of petraeus. he says my wife says i'm the most clueless person
fbi agents are currently at the home of paula broadwell. wcnc-tv in charlotte are reporting that agents arrived at broadwell's home at 9:00 p.m. and took boxes and suitcases and photos from the foam. a spokeswoman confirms the report and says it's a consensual search and not a raid or "a game changer." the fbi official says it is one of the final steps to closing out their investigation of broadwell. also tonight, "the wall street journal" reports new details how the federal...
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the fbi began by investigating whether those e-mails constituted harassment. officials told nbc news. then the bureau subsequently found that petraeus' biographer, paula broadwell, was sending those anonymous e-mails that law enforcement officials had dealt with. the investigation also determined she was having an affair with petraeus. the fbi then used that information from the investigation to uncover more details and obtain a warrant to surveil broadwell's e-mail, according to the "wall street journal." so, in september, officials say the fbi interviewed broadwell, who then admitted the affair. investigators also convinced her to voluntarily surrender her computer, which was found to contain unauthorized classified information. according to officials, on the week of october 28th, the fbi then interviewed general petraeus, who reportedly admitted the affair at the time, but denied providing any classified information to broadwell. then two members of congress say they received a tip about the same investigation in october which was raised with the fbi. offic
the fbi began by investigating whether those e-mails constituted harassment. officials told nbc news. then the bureau subsequently found that petraeus' biographer, paula broadwell, was sending those anonymous e-mails that law enforcement officials had dealt with. the investigation also determined she was having an affair with petraeus. the fbi then used that information from the investigation to uncover more details and obtain a warrant to surveil broadwell's e-mail, according to the "wall...
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how did the fbi investigation start, how long has it been going on? there's some reports this morning that it's still being pursued in some ways. others are reporting there's no expectation that there will be any criminal indictments against general petraeus or the woman he's alleged to have had an extramarital apair with. the reality is, it's the investigation. it's the scrutiny of his e-mail, that led to his feeling that he had to resign over this. we need to know more, though, obviously, to understand what happened about how it started. and where it stands in terms of the investigation. >> but i understand this gmail account that's being investigated is a personal account. it is not a -- a -- hooked up to the cia, to the pentagon, anything like that. i mean, so it would -- i mean, what's it going to be about? just about personal items? national security would nover have been at risk with something like this, would it? >> the reality of people in government who use their personal accounts and their government accounts is that anything they do, they'
how did the fbi investigation start, how long has it been going on? there's some reports this morning that it's still being pursued in some ways. others are reporting there's no expectation that there will be any criminal indictments against general petraeus or the woman he's alleged to have had an extramarital apair with. the reality is, it's the investigation. it's the scrutiny of his e-mail, that led to his feeling that he had to resign over this. we need to know more, though, obviously, to...
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and that's what causes her to turn the e-mails over to the fbi and the fbi to take them quite seriously. >> now, what can you you tell us about paula broadwell who they traced these e-mails back to? >> well, look, it took some time because as one source told me, she had covered her tracks quite women and it was not at all clear who the sender was originally. but they did trace it back to paula bloodwell. paula broadwell clearly was quite public about her friendship with general petraeus. i was actually on a panel with paula broadwell at the aspen security forum last july in which she was quite open about how much access she had to general petraeus when she was writing the biography of him, how she also had access to classified information. this made people uncomfortable. she made a point of saying she had a high level security clearance and that she didn't consider herself a journalist. and i should point out that there were a lot of people close to general petraeus who wondered why he had chosen paula broadwell who had no background as a journalist, no background as a biographer, to be
and that's what causes her to turn the e-mails over to the fbi and the fbi to take them quite seriously. >> now, what can you you tell us about paula broadwell who they traced these e-mails back to? >> well, look, it took some time because as one source told me, she had covered her tracks quite women and it was not at all clear who the sender was originally. but they did trace it back to paula bloodwell. paula broadwell clearly was quite public about her friendship with general...
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i'm not surprised the fbi didn't initially let congress know. i'm pleasantly surprised because it came to eric cantor, a very partisan member of the house of representatives early, i'm really pleasantly surprised it didn't leak before the election. >> this investigation, from a minor thread unraveling a major tapestry, it is surprising. as david pointed out, secrets in washington don't sit idly by, especially during an election season where cocktail parties are in full swing. there had to be more people with information, this is not a surprise to most inside the beltway? >> i don't want to get into that sort of speculation. i think what majority leader cantor did in terms of immediately referring it back to the fbi, in terms of what he was alerted was obviously the right way to handle this. having said that, understand that republicans want to hear what general petraeus had to say because he was the decision maker for the cia. this is not getting the number two. they want to know what the decisions were, what the information was there, how he pr
i'm not surprised the fbi didn't initially let congress know. i'm pleasantly surprised because it came to eric cantor, a very partisan member of the house of representatives early, i'm really pleasantly surprised it didn't leak before the election. >> this investigation, from a minor thread unraveling a major tapestry, it is surprising. as david pointed out, secrets in washington don't sit idly by, especially during an election season where cocktail parties are in full swing. there had to...
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summer that fbi agents had uncovered the affair that led to petraeus' downfall. it all started in early june when a florida woman named jill kelley pictures here with her husband, petraeus, and his wife, alerted agents to e-mails she described as e-mails. they told kelley, a petraeus family friend, to stop socializing with generals. those anonymous e-mails led investigators to paula broadwell and evidence of the affair. now some lawmakers are asking why the fbi didn't inform them or the white house sooner. >> we received no advance notice. it was like a lightning bolt. this is something that could have had an effect on national skur security. i think we should have been told. >> it seems this was going on for several months, and yet now it appear that is they're saying that the fbi didn't realize until election day that general petraeus was involved. it just doesn't add up. >> adding to the headache and the controversy, petraeus was set to testify at a closed door hearing on the benghazi attack on thursday. with acting director michael morell now going in his pla
summer that fbi agents had uncovered the affair that led to petraeus' downfall. it all started in early june when a florida woman named jill kelley pictures here with her husband, petraeus, and his wife, alerted agents to e-mails she described as e-mails. they told kelley, a petraeus family friend, to stop socializing with generals. those anonymous e-mails led investigators to paula broadwell and evidence of the affair. now some lawmakers are asking why the fbi didn't inform them or the white...
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fbi officer herself, right? >> i'm told that she actually applied, passed a polygraph and they were ready to offer her an appointment. >> she didn't take it because harvard called? >> i don't think it went too well at harvard. she could have been an agent. must have been surreal for her to be standing in her house with fbi agents searching her house and she was just a step away from becoming an agent. >> talk about fredrick humphries, the fbi agent who jill kelley contacted. what's his story? >> what's interesting is that, you know, this is the time where you're not liked in the bureau or the police department or whatever, this is when they start kicking, you know, when you're down already. and no one's kicking him. i mean they still speak pretty highly of him. he was in the terrorist task force himself. up in seattle. and he was the lead agent in the millennium bombing case. >> oh, yeah. >> did a great job. and he goes down to tampa, which is like winning the lottery because they like -- >> like a country club
fbi officer herself, right? >> i'm told that she actually applied, passed a polygraph and they were ready to offer her an appointment. >> she didn't take it because harvard called? >> i don't think it went too well at harvard. she could have been an agent. must have been surreal for her to be standing in her house with fbi agents searching her house and she was just a step away from becoming an agent. >> talk about fredrick humphries, the fbi agent who jill kelley...
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, the way fbi handled this last -- the last couple days we're being told the fbi just happened to wrap up the case the week before the election. it did the final interviews with david petraeus and paula broadwell. that last week. just a few days before the election and then they wrap up the case and tell james clapper. now, it turns out, the case wasn't quite wrapped up, they still had more additional work to do with the search on paula broadwell's house and they had this additional information about general allen that they felt compelled to alert the white house and the pentagon about so that raises the question why was it just that week of election day they first go to clapper and does it have anything to do with the phone call that eric cantor the house majority leader made to the fbi just a few days before? >> andrea -- if i could just add one point, talking to lawmakers on the hill saying yet again, they're learning about this through media reports and that is only fanning the flames of their frustration which they first started talking about at the end of last week should have be
, the way fbi handled this last -- the last couple days we're being told the fbi just happened to wrap up the case the week before the election. it did the final interviews with david petraeus and paula broadwell. that last week. just a few days before the election and then they wrap up the case and tell james clapper. now, it turns out, the case wasn't quite wrapped up, they still had more additional work to do with the search on paula broadwell's house and they had this additional information...
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we're not going in to the fbi investigation or the inspector general or anything else. this is benghazi. >> on thursday in a briefing which stretched more than three and a half hours, intelligence officials showed lawmakers real time film of the attack for the first time. >> the film is a composite from a number of sources. it is real time. it does begin from when the incident started and it goes through the incident. and the exodus. >> attorney general eric holder is defending the fbi publicly for the first time as some lawmakers say the agency was too slow to inform them and the president of the petraeus investigation. >> we follow the facts. we do not share outside the justice department, outside the fbi the facts of ongoing investigations. we made the determination as we were going through the matter that there was not a threat to national security. >> joining me now nbc's capitol hill correspondent kelly o'donnell and, kelly, a lot of moving parts on capitol hill this morning. what questions are lawmakers interested in putting to petraeus? any new information out o
we're not going in to the fbi investigation or the inspector general or anything else. this is benghazi. >> on thursday in a briefing which stretched more than three and a half hours, intelligence officials showed lawmakers real time film of the attack for the first time. >> the film is a composite from a number of sources. it is real time. it does begin from when the incident started and it goes through the incident. and the exodus. >> attorney general eric holder is...
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meanwhile, the fbi is still trying to wrap up the petraeus incident. they're looking through potential evidence taken from paul lal broadwell's home during a consensual search earlier this week. now, amid allegations that she mishandled classified information, the army has yanked broadwell's security clearance. and on cnnhead line news, broadwell hasn't made any public comments, even in print. meanwhile, petraeus will make it back on capitol hill to testify tomorrow on benghazi. joining me nbc's correspondent kelly o'donnell. and brad gilman, editor-at-large for "time" magazine. he wrote the cover story entitled "the petraeus affair." there's a whole lot of hearings on benghazi which, of course, all will sort of bleed into the petraeus affair. give us the lineup today and what you expect to hear? >> you're right, chuck. there is so much overlap, what we've heard from someone planning the committee meeting, intel, for both the house and senate side, they wanted to separate those matters of personal and security concerns to the issue that brought it to t
meanwhile, the fbi is still trying to wrap up the petraeus incident. they're looking through potential evidence taken from paul lal broadwell's home during a consensual search earlier this week. now, amid allegations that she mishandled classified information, the army has yanked broadwell's security clearance. and on cnnhead line news, broadwell hasn't made any public comments, even in print. meanwhile, petraeus will make it back on capitol hill to testify tomorrow on benghazi. joining me...
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>> well, i think richard mentioned the fbi investigation of paula broadwell. paula broadwell is general petraeus' biographer and somebody who has been close to him. to speak for a moment about the cia, general petraeus when he came to the cia about 15 months ago appointed as his deputy the then acting director michael morell, who is a career agency analyst. michael morell has stepped in as acting director again. i think that's from the standpoint of the cia and the stability of u.s. intelligence efforts the most positive thing you could say. morell is a career guy. he's trusted by the white house. he was trusted by petraeus, and so you have a smoother transition than you sometimes do in these situations. >> let me get back to richard engel about this. you know, you know these guys. you know as a military guy covering our fights overseas, the combat operations in iraq especially, this man was almost at the general mcarthur level just a few years ago. people were talking about him being the republican candidate for the presidency in the current election cycle. t
>> well, i think richard mentioned the fbi investigation of paula broadwell. paula broadwell is general petraeus' biographer and somebody who has been close to him. to speak for a moment about the cia, general petraeus when he came to the cia about 15 months ago appointed as his deputy the then acting director michael morell, who is a career agency analyst. michael morell has stepped in as acting director again. i think that's from the standpoint of the cia and the stability of u.s....
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the fbi looked into it and their investigation led to paula broadwell. her e-mail account then led them to petraeus. and of course to their conclusion that the two were involved somehow in a relationship. all of this will now be examined by the house and senate intelligence committees this week which were already convening to dig into benghazi. petraeus' final trip included stops in libya to get firsthand accounts about what happened before and after that fatal night. >> all right. an drdrea andrea, thank you soech. pete williams is reporting that the woman who contacted the fbi is a civilian employee of a defense contractor. meantime petraeus is one of the few who may know the entire story behind the benghazi attack. the general was scheduled to testify thursday at the closed door session on the assault that killed ambassador chris stevens and three others. but today bob woodward says petraeus may still appear at the hearing. >> one of the things petraeus always does was dig deep. and so apparently there are videos or tapes and pictures and things that
the fbi looked into it and their investigation led to paula broadwell. her e-mail account then led them to petraeus. and of course to their conclusion that the two were involved somehow in a relationship. all of this will now be examined by the house and senate intelligence committees this week which were already convening to dig into benghazi. petraeus' final trip included stops in libya to get firsthand accounts about what happened before and after that fatal night. >> all right. an...
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as an old fbi agent, you should prove it first. >> but this is important. you're saying petraeus says, look, i said it was terrorism all along. susan rice told the american people we thought it was spontaneous. there's a disconnect. >> even more important than that, the narrative as it went from the cia to other intelligence agencies was correct. it was an act of terrorism. we knew that. the difference is what happened when it went outside of the intelligence community for, as the senator called it, you know, a committee to look at this thing and make the determination on what the narrative was. the narrative was wrong. and why that's important, this isn't just about parsing words and who was right. there was some policy decisions made based on the narrative that was not consistent with the intelligence that we had. that's my concern. and we need to say, hey, we need to figure out how that happened, and let's make sure that doesn't happen again. >> did people die because we didn't protect them adequately? is that the bottom line here? >> david, we gave the
as an old fbi agent, you should prove it first. >> but this is important. you're saying petraeus says, look, i said it was terrorism all along. susan rice told the american people we thought it was spontaneous. there's a disconnect. >> even more important than that, the narrative as it went from the cia to other intelligence agencies was correct. it was an act of terrorism. we knew that. the difference is what happened when it went outside of the intelligence community for, as the...
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what is the fbi saying about this? >> well, i think they freely admit that there are no hard and fast rules for when you notify anybody else in the government that a senior intelligence official is having an affair. the general rule, and what their basic policy is, they don't tell anybody. when they're in the middle of a criminal investigation, who they're investigating. whether it's, you know, somebody in the white house or anybody. they just don't blab around town who they're investigating. now, there's a policy question here, obviously, about whether members of the intelligence committee should have been informed. they say there's a potential national security implications. the fbi and the justice department say they determined early on there weren't national security implications, that this was, at its core, not a crime, an affair. and the other thing about this is, that the fbi is sensitive to its own history, about a time when j. edgar hoover shepherded the peccadillos of official washington and parceled these th
what is the fbi saying about this? >> well, i think they freely admit that there are no hard and fast rules for when you notify anybody else in the government that a senior intelligence official is having an affair. the general rule, and what their basic policy is, they don't tell anybody. when they're in the middle of a criminal investigation, who they're investigating. whether it's, you know, somebody in the white house or anybody. they just don't blab around town who they're...
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the fbi found out it was broadwell sending those e-mails. according to the washington post, the e-mail described kelley as a seductress. for more on where things stand we're joined by chief white house correspondent -- mike isikoff, and of course we've got david corn, who's on the show now from mother jones. let me talk about this, first of all. i think it was interesting of the president to give almost a complete snow white description of this guy. he referred to the affair, which is the reason he's being removed from office, as a single side note. i mean, bill clinton went through -- >> yeah, yeah. >> this guy get a single side note. >> just a pesky asterisk. but, you know, politicians and presidents for years in washington have been using david petraeus as cover. if you can get underneath -- >> republicans said that name over and over. >> wrap yourself in the petraeus flag and you got immunity from almost anything. >> what is president obama worried about petraeus? >> i think it's -- i think he's being gracious now. i think maybe buyer's
the fbi found out it was broadwell sending those e-mails. according to the washington post, the e-mail described kelley as a seductress. for more on where things stand we're joined by chief white house correspondent -- mike isikoff, and of course we've got david corn, who's on the show now from mother jones. let me talk about this, first of all. i think it was interesting of the president to give almost a complete snow white description of this guy. he referred to the affair, which is the...
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that the fbi does crimes, not the cia. and so this is the proper course to take, and, look, again, transparency and accountability is what we most want in our leadership. look, this is tough, ed. you and i both know it. to a general who's done so much for this nation. but i'll tell you, ed, i think this shows what kind of a man he was that, yeah, he did his soul searching but handed in his resignation. that's what we're trained to do as good leaders. people should take a lesson from that. >> joe sestak, good to have you with us tonight on "the ed show." appreciate it so much. >> absolutely. >>> coming up, a coal boss announces a series of layoffs. he's blaming president obama's re-election. find out how workers are paying the price for a ceo's personal politics. >>> and it got pretty ugly out there following the re-election of our first african-american president. msnbc political analyst michael eric dyson will weigh in on the racist reactions around the country. g to come back from rough economic times. employees are bein
that the fbi does crimes, not the cia. and so this is the proper course to take, and, look, again, transparency and accountability is what we most want in our leadership. look, this is tough, ed. you and i both know it. to a general who's done so much for this nation. but i'll tell you, ed, i think this shows what kind of a man he was that, yeah, he did his soul searching but handed in his resignation. that's what we're trained to do as good leaders. people should take a lesson from that....
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that the fbi does crimes, not the cia. and so this is the proper course to take, and, look, again, transparency and accountability is what we most want in our leadership. look, this is tough, ed. you and i both know it. to a general who's done so much for this nation. but i'll tell you, ed, i think this shows what kind of a man he was that, yeah, he did his soul searching but handed in his resignation. that's what we're trained to do as good leaders. people should take a lesson from that. >> joe sestak, good to have you with us tonight on "the ed show." appreciate it so much. >> absolutely. >>> coming up, a coal boss announces a series of layoffs. he's blaming president obama's re-election. find out how workers are paying the price for a ceo's personal politics. >>> and it got pretty ugly out there following the re-election of our first african-american president. msnbc political analyst michael eric dyson will weigh in on the racist reactions around the country. >>> thanks for staying with us tonight. the leader of a comp
that the fbi does crimes, not the cia. and so this is the proper course to take, and, look, again, transparency and accountability is what we most want in our leadership. look, this is tough, ed. you and i both know it. to a general who's done so much for this nation. but i'll tell you, ed, i think this shows what kind of a man he was that, yeah, he did his soul searching but handed in his resignation. that's what we're trained to do as good leaders. people should take a lesson from that....
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we will deal with the fbi -- and i think we should deal with the fbi, on security on the question of the line of notification. going forward we cannot have the white house not being informed, if it's necessary in the protection of the american people. >> the question is time. >> congresswoman sheila jackson lee, thank you so much for your time. let's go back to dana and to you susan. dana, you first. the issue about david petraeus. what was known, what happened when, the president did address the issue yesterday, though he moved on quickly. should the president have been notified earlier? >> it sounds like as a general matter, what the congresswoman is saying is correct. there should be some definition of when an investigation needs to be brought up. but certainly if the fbi is looking to something in the white house you want want them alerting the white house. in the case of petraeus, nobody is furnishing any evidence that national security was compromised in any way. which raises the question, why was this so important in the first place and why is this worth ending the career of t
we will deal with the fbi -- and i think we should deal with the fbi, on security on the question of the line of notification. going forward we cannot have the white house not being informed, if it's necessary in the protection of the american people. >> the question is time. >> congresswoman sheila jackson lee, thank you so much for your time. let's go back to dana and to you susan. dana, you first. the issue about david petraeus. what was known, what happened when, the president...
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then there's the fbi agent and friend of jill kel yae's. he's now subject of an internal fbi probe himself for inappropriate behavior. let's get into the details. overnight the pentagon announced this, that general allen's nomination to be allied supreme commander over all of anywnato been delayed and panetta has asked them to ex pa diet joseph dunfer. >> while this matter is under investigation and before the facts are determined, general allen will remain commander. general allen is entitled to due process in this matter. in the meantime the secretary has asked the president, and the president has agreed, to put his nomination on hold until the relevant facts are determined. >> all right. that's pentagon spokesman george little. he's on a trip to asia with the defense secretary. more on that trip in a minute. allen, who is married, denied any wrongdoing and, for now, remains commander in afghanistan as the investigation continues. defense secretary leon panetta was informed by the pentagon's general counsel on sunday of this fbi investiga
then there's the fbi agent and friend of jill kel yae's. he's now subject of an internal fbi probe himself for inappropriate behavior. let's get into the details. overnight the pentagon announced this, that general allen's nomination to be allied supreme commander over all of anywnato been delayed and panetta has asked them to ex pa diet joseph dunfer. >> while this matter is under investigation and before the facts are determined, general allen will remain commander. general allen is...
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should be prepared to answer some tough questions about general petraeus and allen and the fbi investigation as well as libya, not to mention the fiscal cliff and we're learning more about the woman who knew both general, tampa socialite jill kelley. a senior defense official says the e-mails between the two were more than just calling one another sweetheart, they were flirtatious and unprofessional. both of them wrote letters vouching for her sister in a child custody case and she made this phone call claiming she had some sort of diplomatic status which she does not. >> i am an honorary consul-general so i have unveilability so i should -- they should not be going across my property. but that's against the law to cross my mrort. um, it's involable. >> "the washington post" says there is a new focus on sensitive information in her possession. multiple u.s. officials have insisted to nbc news there was no security breach. let me bring in major garrett, white house reporter and tim carney for "the washington examiner." good morning to both of you. tim, let me start with you. are you surprised
should be prepared to answer some tough questions about general petraeus and allen and the fbi investigation as well as libya, not to mention the fiscal cliff and we're learning more about the woman who knew both general, tampa socialite jill kelley. a senior defense official says the e-mails between the two were more than just calling one another sweetheart, they were flirtatious and unprofessional. both of them wrote letters vouching for her sister in a child custody case and she made this...
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so it does raise the question why didn't the fbi -- why did the fbi do the briefing then, only on election day, if the investigation on classified information was still open. >> right. it flies in the face of the reason they supposedly finally did let clapper know. anyway, mike isikoff, thanks very much. >>> up next, if democrats don't get the deal they want, will they let the country go over the fiscal cliff? that's the big question that hangs out there over the president over some democrats. senator patti murray joins me next. on that and how she defied the odds and ended up adding more democrats to the senate. is it one or two? we'll find out in a minute. independents day, the question we all think we know the answer to but maine's senator elect will announce which party he's planning to caucus with. >>> first a look ahead at the schedule of the president. a press conference at 1:30 and then he meets with the ceos after the press conference. you're watching "the daily rundown." the boys use capital one venture miles for their annual football trip. that's double miles you can actually us
so it does raise the question why didn't the fbi -- why did the fbi do the briefing then, only on election day, if the investigation on classified information was still open. >> right. it flies in the face of the reason they supposedly finally did let clapper know. anyway, mike isikoff, thanks very much. >>> up next, if democrats don't get the deal they want, will they let the country go over the fiscal cliff? that's the big question that hangs out there over the president over...
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>> well, i think richard mentioned the fbi investigation of paula broadwell. paula broadwell is general petraeus' biographer and somebody who has been close to him. to speak for a moment about the cia, general petraeus when he came to the cia about 15 months ago appointed as his deputy the then acting director michael morell, who is a career agency analyst. michael morell has stepped in as acting director again. i think that's, from the standpoint of the cia and the stability of u.s. intelligence efforts, the most positive thing you could say. morell is a career guy. he's trusted by the white house. he was trusted by petraeus, and so you have a smoother transition than you sometimes do in these situations. >> let me get back to richard engel about this. you know, you know these guys. you know as a military guy covering our fights overseas, the combat operations in iraq especially, this man was almost at the general mcarthur level just a few years ago. people were talking about him being the republican candidate for the presidency in the current election cycle.
>> well, i think richard mentioned the fbi investigation of paula broadwell. paula broadwell is general petraeus' biographer and somebody who has been close to him. to speak for a moment about the cia, general petraeus when he came to the cia about 15 months ago appointed as his deputy the then acting director michael morell, who is a career agency analyst. michael morell has stepped in as acting director again. i think that's, from the standpoint of the cia and the stability of u.s....
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. >> what do we know at this point about the fbi investigation? >> well, not all that much. but what we do know is that the investigation began into e-mails that paula broadwell was sending to another woman. so it started away from petraeus, and then led to petraeus because of the nature of his exchanges with paula broadwell. don't know whether that fbi investigation is going to produce a prosecution or anything further. but that's how it appears to have started. it doesn't appear that this has anything to do with other extraneous issues that people have talked about, benghazi or any big geopolitical thing. it seems to be extremely personal. >> what has been the reaction from the white house? and what are you hearing from people on the hill? >> well, i think everybody is disappointed. you know, dianne feinstein, veteran democrat from california just reelected herself the other night, a veteran of the intelligence committee said she wished that president obama had not accepted petraeus' resignation, that he didn't need to leave office for an indiscretion of that kind. the pre
. >> what do we know at this point about the fbi investigation? >> well, not all that much. but what we do know is that the investigation began into e-mails that paula broadwell was sending to another woman. so it started away from petraeus, and then led to petraeus because of the nature of his exchanges with paula broadwell. don't know whether that fbi investigation is going to produce a prosecution or anything further. but that's how it appears to have started. it doesn't appear...